"wiffleballtony" (wiffleballtony)
04/09/2016 at 23:06 • Filed to: None
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"wiffleballtony" (wiffleballtony)
04/09/2016 at 23:06 • Filed to: None | 2
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Well that’s the last Gigabyte motherboard I’m buying.
I swear the last three I’ve had have all capped out on me. Anyway, I have a secondary gaming rig the stopped powering on. Not even the motherboard LED. I figured it was the power supply, I was wrong. I thought the board was shorting on the case, wrong again. Got a new motherboard and it works. Damn you Gigabyte.
BmanUltima's car still hasn't been fixed yet, he'll get on it tomorrow, honest.
> wiffleballtony
04/09/2016 at 23:17 |
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I wouldn’t write off the whole brand like that. Other people use them with no problem. Just seems like you’ve had bad luck.
swaptastic
> wiffleballtony
04/09/2016 at 23:26 |
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I used Gigabyte boards for my past three computers and never had an issue with any of them. Did you overclock your system any?
V6 or Bust
> wiffleballtony
04/09/2016 at 23:34 |
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What other option is there? Gigabyte is the best in the casual consumer market. Micro-Star, ASRock, Biostar etc. would be a step down. The next level upmarket is the professional level stuff, like EVGA, and those are big bucks.
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wiffleballtony
> V6 or Bust
04/09/2016 at 23:40 |
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I’m giving ASUS a try.
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wiffleballtony
> BmanUltima's car still hasn't been fixed yet, he'll get on it tomorrow, honest.
04/09/2016 at 23:40 |
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I guess. Three in a row is enough for me to try someone else. And I’ve been using Gigabyte boards since 2003.
JGrabowMSt
> wiffleballtony
04/09/2016 at 23:41 |
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I’ve used so many Gigabyte motherboards, never had any issues. Only board I had fail on me was an ECS. Still wouldn’t go and buy ECS parts today. Only good experience I ever had was my nVidia 9600GT that was made by ECS.
Asus, Gigabyte, MSI, eVGA, Foxconn...I’ve never had a single board actually fail. Even Supermicro, those things are rock solid. I used to use MSI for all of my personal machines until my latest build when I moved to Asus because I had a long list of requirements and only Asus could meet them (dual socket, dual LAN, all PCI-e, USB3.0, ATX form factor, and more). Tyan is okay too, but support is less than fantastic. Tyan was amazing in the Pentium 4 days, not so much anymore.
Most important questions I can ask is what brand power supply are you using, and do you run through a surge protector before plugging into the wall? Panamax surge protectors 100% of the way. They absolutely stand by their products and I could not tell you about how much of an absolute beating a Panamax can withstand, much less what it will prevent from happening to your computer. There are a handful of power supply brands I wouldn’t touch with a 10 foot pole. I currently use an Antec, solely because it was the only thing that had power cables long enough to reach all the way around my case. Not only that, but it was a review sample I had lying around, so free = for me.
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wiffleballtony
> swaptastic
04/09/2016 at 23:43 |
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I’ve been using them since 2003, didn’t have any problems until boards I purchased starting in 2012 have all systematically failed. No over clocking was done. Ironically the Gigabyte board I built on in 2008 was Over clocked and it’s still fine.
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V6 or Bust
> wiffleballtony
04/09/2016 at 23:43 |
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It’s worth a shot. Have these three boards been in different computers?
Nibby
> wiffleballtony
04/09/2016 at 23:48 |
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ASRock is pretty decent for budget builds. Heard good stuff from ASUS too
Personally, I like that Intel 440BX chipset.
2Cent
> wiffleballtony
04/09/2016 at 23:51 |
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I have built two PCs both with Asus motherboards and graphics cards and they both outlived obsolescence. I bought my last Asus board and graphics card 8 years ago and they still run well even though I have had to overclock both the cpu and gpu to keep them going!
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swaptastic
> wiffleballtony
04/09/2016 at 23:53 |
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My newest board is probably from around 2012 as well. Maybe since then they have cut corners on manufacturing and design? I am glad I came across your post. Need to look into their newest arch if I buy another one.
scoob
> wiffleballtony
04/10/2016 at 00:01 |
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All my mobos (not saying much since I’ve only had maybe 3, and my current one is oooold) have been Asus and they’ve been great to me.
SonorousSpeedJoe
> wiffleballtony
04/10/2016 at 00:05 |
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Good to see that your PC is in working order.
My rig uses a Gigabyte motherboard and a 970 G1 that are working fine; I’m amazed that three of their motherboards crapped out on you.
Jake Huitt - Two Alfas And A Nissan, Not A Single Running Car
> wiffleballtony
04/10/2016 at 00:16 |
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I’ve never had a problem with Asus or MSI.
traitor joe
> wiffleballtony
04/10/2016 at 00:41 |
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I’ve found that Gigabyte motherboards tend to need standoffs or they can short out. Wonder if that had something to do with it?
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wiffleballtony
> JGrabowMSt
04/10/2016 at 00:42 |
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Apart from these Gigabyte boards failing, I haven’t had any mother board failures since around 2001 when two Soyo boards lost their south bridge.
I have surge protectors, don’t know the brand. I have Corsair power supplies.
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wiffleballtony
> V6 or Bust
04/10/2016 at 00:44 |
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Three different computers. They have very little in common aside from the board.
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wiffleballtony
> Nibby
04/10/2016 at 00:45 |
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I’ve never used ASrock, they’re pretty cheap. If I need something cheap in the future I’ll probably try.
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wiffleballtony
> 2Cent
04/10/2016 at 00:46 |
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Well that’s encouraging, I have two ASUS boards in use now.
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wiffleballtony
> swaptastic
04/10/2016 at 00:47 |
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Maybe, they’ve been great in the past but I’m not going to buy anymore for a while. Fool me twice shame on me.
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wiffleballtony
> scoob
04/10/2016 at 00:48 |
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That’s encouraging. This is probably my 12th build or so.
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wiffleballtony
> SonorousSpeedJoe
04/10/2016 at 00:49 |
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It’s shocking indeed and a but dissapointing. I’ve had great experiences with them in the past.
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wiffleballtony
> Jake Huitt - Two Alfas And A Nissan, Not A Single Running Car
04/10/2016 at 00:49 |
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That’s good, I have two rigs with ASUS boards now.
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wiffleballtony
> traitor joe
04/10/2016 at 00:52 |
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I was thinking that. However, I removed the board from the case, left the CPU, and RAM on the board, connected to the PSU and attempted to jump with a screw driver. No LED and no power either that way either.
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Jake Huitt - Two Alfas And A Nissan, Not A Single Running Car
> wiffleballtony
04/10/2016 at 01:19 |
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I’ve loved em. MSI board in my gaming rig, asus in my workstation.
I really love their ws line of boards.
Poache E (O)\===/(O)
> wiffleballtony
04/10/2016 at 01:37 |
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Cheap motherboards are false economy. You pay for it in downtime, debugging and eventual replacement. Good motherboard last for years at load.
Good luck with the next one (srsly, debugging bad mbs is no fun)
jimz
> wiffleballtony
04/10/2016 at 05:58 |
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I used to religiously buy Intel motherboards, then they rudely decided to stop making them. This time ‘round I went with Supermicro.
Sweet Trav
> Nibby
04/10/2016 at 08:29 |
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440BX? To run a Slot 1 Pentium 3? Lol
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Nibby
> JGrabowMSt
04/10/2016 at 08:47 |
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Had a Gigabyte board fail on me, but ...
you could probably guess it was some ancient dual Slot 1 with onboard SCSI. That was so cool.
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Nibby
> Sweet Trav
04/10/2016 at 08:48 |
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Damn right.
hike
> wiffleballtony
04/10/2016 at 09:26 |
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The feeling of your computer not turning on is pretty shitty. I had my power supply die on my while using it last weekend. Fortunately. Corsair has solid customer service and the new one will be here Tuesday. Still was pretty frustrating. I'd have switched manufacturers after the 2nd one died. Screw warranties, a motherboard needs to be reliable.
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hike
> JGrabowMSt
04/10/2016 at 09:27 |
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Do you have a link to a surge protector your recommend? I've been meaning to upgrade to a good one for a while now and now have extra motivation to after my failed.
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wiffleballtony
> Jake Huitt - Two Alfas And A Nissan, Not A Single Running Car
04/10/2016 at 11:47 |
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I’ll keep MSI in mind for next time.
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wiffleballtony
> Poache E (O)\===/(O)
04/10/2016 at 11:48 |
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That’s true. However these boards were $100 plus.
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wiffleballtony
> jimz
04/10/2016 at 11:49 |
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That’s the worst, especially when you’re comfortable with a brand.
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wiffleballtony
> hike
04/10/2016 at 11:51 |
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I was fortunate in that this rig was a secondary one I use for streaming. My primary and laptop were still up. But I was shocked it was the motherboard not the power supply.
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jimz
> wiffleballtony
04/10/2016 at 11:57 |
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it helps that Supermicro is pretty well regarded in the server space, and they’ve recently put out a small line of consumer/enthusiast boards. I don’t have the model name on hand, but the one I got is microATX and has a PCIe SSD slot. Holy balls is that thing fast. I think my disk I/O bandwidth is double the memory bandwidth of the first PC I built years ago.
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jimz
> Poache E (O)\===/(O)
04/10/2016 at 11:58 |
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PC Chips.
(that *pop* noise I heard was the artery bursting in your forehead.)
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jimz
> traitor joe
04/10/2016 at 11:59 |
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all boards need standoffs to mount in a case.
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JGrabowMSt
> hike
04/10/2016 at 12:05 |
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Ill be replacing mine soon because it is older, and will probably move to one of these:
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JGrabowMSt
> Nibby
04/10/2016 at 12:07 |
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My old as dirt (1997) Supermicro S2DGU is still running strong.
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Nibby
> JGrabowMSt
04/10/2016 at 12:30 |
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Aww yeah. What’s it running
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> wiffleballtony
04/10/2016 at 12:38 |
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Yeah I probably won’t go gigabyte again next time, I haven’t been able to get my overclock or memory xmp profiles to work
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JGrabowMSt
> Nibby
04/10/2016 at 13:38 |
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I think it has linux installed, its in the basement right now. Dual 700MHz Pentium 3 Xeons with 2gb of RAM.
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wiffleballtony
> jimz
04/10/2016 at 14:33 |
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I really need to get in on that SSD action, I’m just sooooo cheap.
You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much
> JGrabowMSt
04/13/2016 at 21:30 |
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If you don't care to answer, that is fine, but I wonder what your thoughts are on cloud based backup services for a small business application. I just got a quote to get our server replaced and the quote includes backup services by way of AVG Cloud Backup. I personally don't like not having physical control of my data, but the redundancy of offsite backup is obviously a huge factor if the security is good.
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JGrabowMSt
> You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much
04/13/2016 at 22:19 |
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Funny you should ask (because I’m making my kinja rounds currently).
So, I haven’t posted on Oppo, but I recently switched jobs (I got hired by the new place last week on Wednesday, set my start date as today, and told my last job to shove it where the sun don’t shine on Friday).
It applies because I moved back into the computer industry. I used to be the lead tech/manager at a small residential repair shop, now I work for a small business IT firm that deals with servers a lot. I hate servers, but your question certainly needs addressing because it’s a very sensitive topic, and for a few reasons. Businesses store other people’s data, and having that backed up to the cloud is a major security risk for everyone involved. At home, you can simply say, don’t back up the folder with all my nudie pics or plaintext credit card backup so I don’t have to get my wallet whenever I want to buy something online.
I would very, very strongly suggest taking any approach to this very cautiously. First, you want to make sure that you have a local backup. This sounds redundant, but most servers I see do not actually have a backup. They’re just massive arrays of network drives. Internally, you need a backup. It doesn’t matter if it’s a basic NAS you keep on your IT desk, or if you go all out and have a SAN put into the third floor broom closet. While I don’t necessary have to say it, just in case someone else reads it, it’s always nice to have the whole nine yards covered.
Cloud services are difficult for the very reason you stated. You’re not in control of your data once it’s on the cloud. Think of Microsoft Azure (I’m getting a little advanced, I know), and if you don’t already know, Microsoft has several regional data centers around the world, and if you use Azure, you data is mirrored on two of them at any given moment. For someone very concerned about their data, you could ask, which two? Unfortunately, it’s a little hard to say. When I was watching a webinar a couple years ago when it was originally being released, the answer wasn’t very clear, other than saying the regions would be close together with a list of pre-requisites that I would never be able to rattle back to you.
I will be super honest and say right off the bat, I don’t even trust AVG antivirus on my computers, so I’m extremely hard pressed to say I would trust them with a cloud backup. You may have different experiences, but the least I can say is that there are plenty of alternatives to AVG, and I’m sure whoever gave you the quote can offer you an alternative. Will it be the same price? Probably not, but it’s something you can always ask about.
As far as the cloud backup goes, it depends on what is being backed up. Is this backing up every ounce of data on your server? Is it backing up just a main quickbooks database, active directory, or some other database file that’s crucial to you? It’s hard to give a very specific answer on the best cloud service without knowing super critical details about the functionality of the server, but the type of cloud service I would use depends on whether you’re backing up the whole server or just a few directories.
Carbonite is a long proven cloud backup service. It just works. The job I just left used it, and when it is set up correctly, it’s a priceless tool. You can easily log into the web interface, browse through the backup directory and pull individual files while you’re out of the office, or you can get a client machine “back to normal” without much trouble using the restore feature. Could I tell you where your data is being backed up to? Nope. I can tell you their service is very top quality, even if their logo doesn’t look all that fantastic though. They offer subscriptions specifically gear towards Server machines as well.
Both Google and Dropbox also offer small business cloud backups, which is hard to argue with. Their services have become so ubiquitous over the past couple of years that you could almost freely say without argument that Skynet would go live before Google loses your data. Dropbox has built a very good reputation for themselves as well.
If your company has more than one physical location, you may be able to just create yourself a VPN tunnel between the two locations, and set up your own “cloud” storage between the two locations. This gives you a lot more control over your backups while providing a true “off site” backup location that’s still under your own control. If you’re running virtual machines, you may want to just back up the entire VHD (if that’s how you have it configured), or you may want to just pick and choose what gets backed up, and create a script that will run the back up at your set schedule.
Would I rule out a cloud backup? Not for a second. Much like yourself, I feel that it needs to have the correct security in order to push me over the ‘lack of control’ speed bump in between me and moving forward with it. Going back to AVG, I’m not convinced it’s the best solution for you, unless someone else is providing the server support. It states on the website that it offers a lot of remote management features, so it sounds more like it’s geared towards a company like what I work for, where we provide the server support instead of the business having a full time IT manager to stay on top of things. If you’re providing the IT services and you’re just looking to upgrade your hardware, I may consider a different service, whether it be Carbonite, Google, Dropbox or any of the other available small business cloud backup services.
So, those are my more immediate thoughts on it. Of the servers that I did build in the past few years, all the solutions were custom for the clients. Carbonite isn’t a bad service at all, but in the end, I have to defer back to the fact that the best backup service really depends on what you’re backing up. Few of the services offer an unlimited file size, but it forces you to go back and audit your own plan, and really determine what should and shouldn’t be included. I also would consider adding either a script or a manual step into the mix, where you encrypt certain files before they get backed up to the cloud. It offers that extra layer of security where you may not know where it’s being backed up, but at least you know it’s not going to be easily opened, should the wrong person find their way to it.
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You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much
> JGrabowMSt
04/14/2016 at 13:36 |
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Thanks for your thoughts and congratulations on the new job. Have a fast Merc for your time and as congratulations. I had seen your posts regarding IT in the past, so figured I would run that by you.
As to our specific situation, we are a small manufacturing company of three people, and I deal with the IT by default since I’m the GM. The backups will be supported by a local IT firm whether they are a local backup or cloud backup. We mostly use our server as a file server, and the critical stuff like QuickBooks and our product data files I sync daily to my laptop and that comes home with me. Even without a cloud backup we wouldn’t be dead in the water if the server starts smoking or self destructs.
I’m leaning very heavily towards doing a local backup with physical drives that I would swap out weekly and store offsite. The Dell PowerVault RD1000 looks like something that would work pretty well.
I may not be quite paranoid enough to take my laptops apart and pull the cameras and microphones out of them, but it’s pretty close so cloud backup isn’t something that I’m very comfortable with.